Entrepreneurial Empire
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Entrepreneurial Empire
🚀 Surgical Success: Building an Empire with Alex & Jamie Adedeji
Alex and Jamie Adadeji, a powerhouse couple in both the operating room and the boardroom, share their incredible journey from surgical residents to successful entrepreneurs. Ever wondered how two surgeons manage to balance demanding careers, their own practices, and a bustling household of four children? Listen in as they reveal their secret sauce for maintaining a strong partnership amidst the chaos of surgeries and spa parties.
Jamie’s passion for empowering women through her OB-GYN practice shines through as she discusses her commitment to personalized patient care. Meanwhile, Alex reflects on his journey from London to the U.S., and his transformative transition from nursing to medicine. Alongside their medical careers, the Adadejis have ventured into entrepreneurship, launching the Spoil Me Kids Spa, a delightful retreat for children that adds a unique twist to their professional lives.
Financial savvy is at the heart of Alex and Jamie’s success, and they generously share their insights into smart financial planning and leveraging resources. From understanding bank leverage to instilling entrepreneurial values in their children, they provide a wealth of knowledge for anyone looking to build a business while keeping family values intact. Tune in for a candid conversation filled with life lessons, entrepreneurial wisdom, and the inspiring synergy of a couple who truly embody the spirit of an entrepreneurial empire.
Welcome to the Entrepreneurial Empire podcast. This is the place where you can find business and career strategies, techniques and real-life success journeys of individuals who have built businesses to the million-dollar revenue mark and beyond. I'm Jacqueline Hernandez, life coach and business development consultant. I have worked with startups, fortune 100 companies, network marketing, direct sales organizations, churches, nonprofits and government agencies all to become the authority experts in their industry, lead with people and scale their revenue. Let's get started. All right, everybody, we are back. Entrepreneurial Empire podcast.
Speaker 1:Hello listeners, and you guys are witnessing, for the first time, our in-person live recording, so we're really excited about this. How are you guys doing today? Great, all right. Well, let me tell you who we have here with us. We have some amazing ballin' baddies over here. They are surgeons, both of them their husband and wife surgeons. They came from the East Coast. They are here now in San Antonio, texas, and I want to say, if you are looking for a surgeon, they are going to be your go-to. They are the best in town. Okay, so, alex and Jamie, and their last name is Adadeji. Did I say that right?
Speaker 3:Spot on.
Speaker 1:Okay, awesome. So we got general surgeon Alex. He does amazing work. He has full of stories. I mean, I got the opportunity to have a pre-conversation with him and I was just laughing in stitches the whole time. Uh, with all of his stories interesting stuff that comes through um the surgeon world yes um, also, we have jamie here.
Speaker 1:She's ob gyn. Both of them own their own separate practices and she went into the ob gyn practice to. You know, really shake things up and change things, educate women in a different way, but also take ownership of her life as a mom. They are a family of four kids, so really excited to hear from you guys today. So, jamie, let's let you kick it off, because she's looking kind of shy over there.
Speaker 3:Yes, so Alex and I met in residency on the East Coast First day of residency actually walked in. I was late Never, emily, I am the opposite of late and there was one spot left and it was right next to him and was it love at first sight. Yeah, no, it was hey how you doing, you looking kind of fine, and sparked a good friendship in the beginning.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Okay, so you guys became friends. How long did it take for the friendship to evolve?
Speaker 1:Under a year. Under a year, with all that studying right, good answer.
Speaker 3:Good answer. Yeah, we spent a lot of time together. Most realize but maybe don't understand. Residency is 120 hours a week Wow, and at our program there were lots of residents. But you pretty much work all the time nonstop, so in your free time it's very minimal and you're usually just trying to get together with other people going through what you're going through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, my gosh. Ok. So, alex, you come from? I mean, I know we had our conversation before. You are from London, yes, and then you moved out here to the East Coast North America yes, how was that transition?
Speaker 2:It was different. Yeah, you know I was relatively young age when we moved from London here, so it was different and difficult getting assimilated to the culture and the lifestyle here.
Speaker 1:Was the culture really drastically different? Yeah, and the weather was different too. Oh yeah, but it's. I'm thankful that we did make that move from England here, because if not, I would not have met my love and I would not be here when I got the opportunity to talk to Alex on his own, because he was kind of like at our table where we were at, and then he's like, oh yeah, my wife, and then he introduces us to you and I'm like, oh my gosh, just the energy between the two of you guys is just. I mean, it's flawless. How long have you guys been married now for, or been together?
Speaker 1:almost 10 years married, yeah, together probably almost 15, 15 yeah, and I bet you guys can literally finish each other's sentences. That was a synergy that I got from you guys we're pretty connected.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're pretty connected and the crazy part is it actually gets better. I know people say that, but it for real gets better, like weekly.
Speaker 1:Do you think that it you guys have this synergy because you guys are in the same world together, which is surgery and medicine?
Speaker 2:Um, yes and no. Being in the same world definitely helps because the expectation Definitely helps. Because the expectation knowing how busy she's going to be makes me not question, hey, when are you going to be home? And vice versa, when I'm on call, she knows he's out of the house because it's extremely busy. I'm not going to keep calling him and saying, hey, when are you coming home? So that definitely helps.
Speaker 3:Our jobs are very time consuming and raising children is very difficult, especially since we have no family here. So it would be very easy to resent the other person for how much they're not home if you didn't understand the reason they're not home. And sometimes we get annoyed by how busy the other person is, but it's not directed at that individual, it just it, just the circumstances, and it's good because we can feel it together, like if he's stuck at the OR. I'm frustrated because he's not home to not only help me with the kids but to see me and spend time with me. But he's equally frustrated sitting there waiting to go to a case.
Speaker 3:Right, he wants to be home too, and that's the part that I think makes us perfectly matched, because it could drive you apart to be so busy and not able to see that. And we see it. So if I'm frustrated, it's very easy to get annoyed and quickly to say you know, it's not you, it's the situation. And and he easily says that on my side too, when I'm busy, like I wish you were home. But we know we get it. So it does make us tick, it does make us go further.
Speaker 1:So something that's kind of designed to kind of separate people actually is bringing you guys more together and making you more connected and wanting to be with each other much so yeah, nice I love that okay, I want to talk about a topic we did bring up the other day, uh, which is about you guys sometimes kind of like overlap with surgeries or get involved with each other's patients, things like that. That's so awesome because that's really connected, right. But you talked about a scenario where you're like doing a surgery together and then you're you tap out with Alex and you're like, okay, I'll see you upstairs, gonna, head up, I'm going into labor right now.
Speaker 3:Right. So in the 15 years we've been together, I think we've done probably a half dozen cases together, not necessarily operating at the table, but tag teaming. Patient may have a hernia and an ovarian mass and something, and so you know we rely on our colleagues in surgery and surgery all the time I rely on colleagues, so I trust him. I know he's a good surgeon, vice versa. So on a regular day I woke up and I was 35 weeks pregnant and my water broke and we had a surgery scheduled that day together. We had a patient with an ovarian mass and a hernia and the plan was we were going to robotically, I was going to remove her ovarian mass and then, after that was done, he was going to repair her hernia, and so instead of canceling the surgery, because it would have been last minute.
Speaker 3:I mean totally last minute for everybody. But I went in and I got checked, I made sure the baby was fine and then I said, ok, I'm going to go downstairs and do my surgeries and then I'll come back up to get admitted. And the nurses thought I was crazy, yeah, but I was in the hospital, I was going to deliver, my baby was fine and I was in the OR with my husband. So I can't imagine a more perfect scenario of everything's going to be fine, working out right. So we did surgery and when my part was done I gave him a big kiss and I said I'll see you upstairs. And about an hour and a half later he joined me upstairs and later that day we had our daughter.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, this is so amazing. First daughter, second daughter, second daughter, second daughter, mean, that is such like boss. Baddie moves right there. When you're talking about, when I think about an entrepreneur, I think about somebody that's ambitious, but I also think about somebody that's determined, committed and going to see things through until it's done. And that's exactly the actions that you took and you know, obviously, leading forward. You guys both own your own practices, but you now also own a joint venture which is your own business, and that's we're going to talk about that here in a moment. But I kind of want to dial it back to when you guys were first in residency and you know how you guys were coming through the residency program. You know what were the challenges that you guys faced. You know, just as a couple and being in the same program, I think I had more difficulty.
Speaker 3:It's a very busy world to be a surgeon and be in residency. In the residency where we went there were so many different specialties, so many different individuals and everybody's not only looking to like establish their career but also maybe their like family, and so it was difficult to watch other women try to entice the guy that I was also interested in and dating. So my struggle was mostly to keep my head in the game obstetrically and allow for our love to blossom as naturally as I could, without jealousy or malintent or letting all the other whispers or commotion cloud my judgment about us, Because that would have been super easy to just say it's too complicated and there's too many people trying to get involved that I would have just said okay, you know, but we didn't.
Speaker 3:We were true to our hearts and we let our relationship blossom amongst that chaos. That was the hardest part for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how about you, alex?
Speaker 2:Really there wasn't any hard part.
Speaker 3:Of course it's easy to be loved. He was the wanted. It's easy to be loved, exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean there were some difficulties. You know we weren't open in the initial phases of our relationship, so it was, I wouldn't say, frowned upon, but it wasn't something that you could say to your colleague hey, I'm dating so-and-so. Well, your first love should be your surgery residency your books. Well, that's not life. Life has a little bit of studying, a little bit of excitement.
Speaker 1:That's a mixture of real life and Jamie was the excitement and Jamie was the excitement, definitely 110% was the excitement, yeah.
Speaker 3:So for the first two to three years we hung out. All the time we had a large group of friends and everybody wanted to know if we were together and we would tell people we were friends, because the more people that get involved, the messier it can make your relationship. And we were really good friends. That's, I think, why we're so successful now is because we really did just enjoy each other as people and individuals. But keeping our relationship to ourselves was more to secure if that love was going to flourish correctly and not letting the chaos get brought in. But then it was really fun when we did get to tell our friends that we were dating and oh, we knew it, we knew it. And many, many happy tears. Many people were rooting for us.
Speaker 3:There were a few Debbie Downers, A couple Debbie Downers as in anybody's, I think, journey, but it was great the conclusion of my residency we told everybody that we were together and the conclusion of Alex's residency. We were engaged. Oh so it was. It was great it was. Residency is hard. There was lots of hard parts about it, but there were so many great parts about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I really think you know when you think about somebody that's a surgeon specifically, you know anybody that's going through residency or even making the choice to become a doctor. I mean, you're in for a long road, a long process, just to become just to be able to do what you desire and want to do right, just to be able to do what you desire and wanna do right. What type of ambition do you think you had as a younger person, like in high school and early college? Do you feel like you had that ambition early on, or was it something that was expected, like family wise?
Speaker 3:No, my family had no physicians or lawyers. In our family my family, um, there was expectations to do well, not expectations to do what I've done. Um, I've always had the ambition. I've always had the drive. I've always had the desire. Oddly enough, I always told people I was going to be an OBGYN since I was in elementary school. Oh my gosh. So I think I was just really self-aware of what I loved about women's health. I'm good with my hands. I knew I could be a surgeon and in my medical school years I thoroughly ruled out all the things I didn't like to finally say OK, I was right. All along, I'm going to be an OBGYN. Rather than try to prove OB was the right field for me, I proved everything else was OK but not my perfect fit.
Speaker 1:And then I fell in to the residency of OBGYN so you checked off all the things you didn't like first, to narrow it down to the one thing that you knew you liked yeah, I didn't want to do like obstetrical rotations and love it and not know if surgery or internal medicine would have made me love it as well.
Speaker 3:So I left all my elective and obstetrical rotations till the very end and did everything else first and what I loved about surgery. I got to operate. Did I want to do appendectomies and cholecystectomies or cold? No, I didn't.
Speaker 3:Did I love internal medicine? No, but did I love the complexity of health care and all the things? Yeah, so the things I didn't like I never really had to deal with in women's health, and the things that I loved, I still got to do with obstetrics and gynecology. So it further reaffirmed to me that I did know who I was and what I liked and what I was good at, and it made going into residency such an easy decision. That's awesome.
Speaker 1:How about you, Alex?
Speaker 2:And for me it was so. I had two physicians in the family, but they were both GPs practicing back in Nigeria, and the push was no, you don't have to follow in our footsteps, but we still expect you to do something great.
Speaker 1:Something similar.
Speaker 2:Correct it could have been. You know you could have done medicine, you can lawyer, even see your architect, any of those. And really my biggest push for me was watching an accident occur and seeing somebody in trouble and reacting to save a life. And that was at the age of 17. And I was kind of at a crossroad. I just completed the ASVAB for Naval Academy and they told me well, based on your scores, you're suited for a nuclear submarine.
Speaker 3:And that kind of told me.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think I can be trapped in a submarine for six to eight months at a time. But having helped somebody in the scenario where they were in a car accident kind of invigorated me, and so I actually went to nursing school first.
Speaker 2:And I was a nurse. I did ER ICU and I loved the adrenaline. I did nursing school because I wanted to make sure I loved what I was doing before I actually went to med school. So I knew at that young age 17, going on 18, that I was going to be in the health care field. I just didn't know what specifically. I knew was going to be a doctor, but not of what? But being in nursing, working in the ICU, working in the ER kind of made me realize that I'm an adrenaline junkie.
Speaker 1:You got the exposure that you needed to really hone in on what you wanted.
Speaker 2:So that helped solidify that I want something that's exciting and gratifying when you fix something.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So surgery is extremely gratifying. When you have somebody who is in dire straits, you put your hands on them and you fix them.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's amazing because for you, every day is a different story. Every day is something new. You don't know what you're in for. You know because everything is just coming at you at a different pace. Correct, and you like that, because that's the adrenaline.
Speaker 2:That's the adrenaline.
Speaker 1:That's so awesome. Okay, so now you guys are in the East Coast, you finished residency, you guys get married and now you guys make your transition, move Big, move out here to Texas, and you know you're really out here. I mean just the conversations that I've had with you guys even you know you guys had a gentleman that drove all the way from Florida just to just to see you, alex. So you know it was definitely an interesting case there. But you know that's the type of surgeons that you are and that's the kind of quality that you're putting out there when you're caring for the people, your clients or your patients.
Speaker 1:I should say patients. Yeah, your patience. And the one thing that I want to ask you also, jamie, is about women's health care. Do you feel like enough education is placed on women's health care, or do women come to you when it's like already like a big deal and something big and major has to happen for them?
Speaker 3:So one of the reasons I really love women's health is because I think we don't know anything about the female reproductive system and sadly, even particularly in the state of Texas like the children in elementary, middle school, high school, they get to opt out of sex ed. So everybody might get the conversation of the birds and the bees, but there are women who don't know what ovulating is or that they ovulate every month. You know there are educated people that don't understand that ovarian cysts are an actual, normal, functional thing your body does. Every month, your ovaries make cysts. So I spend a lot of time with my patients, even at their general wellness checkups, to talk about what is normal, what is abnormal, what things to look for if there's concerns Like, of course, anybody who's having bleeding or pain I want to address. But I think some people don't even know the realm of what could be normal in their normal day-to-day life versus. You know this is more bleeding than we should expect, we should investigate, or that pain is not necessarily the way it should be surrounding your period, surrounding your monthly cycles, surrounding intercourse and all the things that we do. So I love educating my patients. I love talking to them about the normal stuff and the abnormal stuff. So it's nice to be able to have that audience and that opportunity every day in my office.
Speaker 3:And yes, I love surgery. I joke with my patients. I love to operate, but not everybody needs surgery. So if you need surgery, I'm your girl. But at the same time there's probably a lot of steps between normal, abnormal and where you go. It doesn't always have to be in the operating room and that's really really important, because some people are very quick to tell people oh yeah, let's just take you to the OR and there may be two or three options. But I do love to operate and I am really good at it.
Speaker 3:So I really think that sometimes patients also just need to get in front of the right physician. That's listening. It's really important for us to not just listen but to hear what our patients are saying and what they're asking of us. We are very quick to talk. We really don't do a good job of listening in the medical community. We're not hearing what our patients are asking of us and that's why not just women, but a lot of patients feel unheard or dismissed and I think there are really great doctors out there and it's sometimes really hard. So that was part of the reason, too, that starting my own practice was really important, because in the practice I was with, I was seeing 35 people a day. Wow, I can't have this conversation with 35 people a day. I can have this conversation with 15 to 20 women a day and make a bigger impact on them and me than to have to see 35 people in a day.
Speaker 1:And listen more intently. Correct, yeah. So that was a really big push for me in opening my own practice so that I can spend that time and listen more intently. I'm like, oh my gosh, you don't know what you don't know, and the one thing that I'm hearing the most now is about advocating Advocating. A lot of people are like you have to advocate for yourself, because even though you're telling the doctor, sometimes they're not hearing exactly what you're saying and you got to advocate really hard for yourself. So it's very true. Yeah, no, definitely. So you are going to be my surgeon.
Speaker 1:Happy to see you. I'm bringing you on my case, oh, but now let's talk about entrepreneurship. So you started your own OBGYN practice, and how long have you been on your own now as a private practice?
Speaker 3:So we just opened our practice in June A year ago. September 15th is when I resigned from my prior practice and I spent most of the year opening up the other business that we'll talk about, but then also working on all of the business aspects of starting your own practice. So we've opened the doors the middle of June Okay, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Now, supportive role when she was telling you that she was going to walk away what she's been doing and open her own practice. What were you? Excited, nervous.
Speaker 2:I was extremely excited for her.
Speaker 2:Because when I was in a group practice from 2015 to 2017, 2017, I started my own practice then and she was extremely supportive when she said if it doesn't feel right, create something. So I went out on my own and I created something. And that's the same mantra that I gave her If you don't feel right about it, create what you want. Make it the best picture for you, make a best picture for us, make it a best picture for your patient that you're going to be caring for. And she took that and ran.
Speaker 1:Okay. So she brought up and we've been kind of hinting at this you guys have another business going on and that business is called spoil me kids, right, spoil me kids spa, spoil me kids spa. And this is where kids can come and just have a daily spa, I mean a spa day, or they can come and have a party, or you know, just really get that experience and really get spoiled, right, right, um, and there's a whole different. There's a whole lot of things that they can do at your spoil me kids spa. What brought on this idea?
Speaker 2:well, our good friend at that time was not a friend, she was just the owner and the manager of that establishment and we went to a party there and then we went to another party there, and then another party there wait, were you invited to all?
Speaker 3:these parties, yeah, okay well our daughter had. We had one of our daughter's parties there, okay, and while we were setting up putting the tablecloth, we're just like man. This is such a good idea. I wonder how the owner thought of this. Like we need something other than a trampoline place for kids parties, you know.
Speaker 3:And as we're setting up, the girl who's helping us and she starts laughing. She said y'all are from the East Coast, aren't you? And we said yeah. And she said I'm the owner. And she's like leave it to you guys, east Coasters, to talk about a business idea in front of the owner. We hit it off right away. And no joke, that was two years ago, october. So not only did we hit it off, but immediately became business friends and, with her assistance, we are her first franchise location. Oh, wow. So, and it wasn't just an idea, it was an idea that, because of our drive and her determination to spread her business, we opened her third location, the first franchise location in Bernie, texas.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's amazing and I'm excited. I mean, I have two girls of my own, so I mean that's the only place that we're going to be going Exactly Okay. So tell me about opening up something that is completely different than the fields that you guys are currently in. I mean, how was that? I mean you're talking about a whole different type of business model. I think, easy, easy, what? Oh my gosh. No, of course. The man says it was easy.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 3:Nobody teaches you the business at all Business of medicine or business of business. So, to be honest, opening up Spoil Me Kids Spa. I had learned so much when I resigned from my practice and learned so much about opening up Spolme Kids Spa that that actually is what helped guide me opening up my practice, because I already had learned the business side of what I didn't know. So that was the breeding ground, that was the breaking ground and it was fun. It was still. To me, it's still like women and children, like it's still empowering little girls and that's also kind of like what I push in my office with my patients. But this is like having little girls be proud of who they are, making them feel confident, making them feel proud. No shame in having to come in with your girlfriends and have a day for just you. And one by one, I'm spoiling every little girl in San Antonio on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I'm spoiling every little girl in San Antonio on a weekly basis.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, I love this. But yes, there were challenges. But me not working full time as an OB was also the reason we were successful in this, because all the things we came to meetings together for we sat down together, had a plan and then we combined would divide and conquer that plan to get all those tasks done as we needed to. So there were a lot of challenges, but nothing that we didn't overcome.
Speaker 1:But I feel like anything you guys do, I mean you could literally probably create a business of ice in Alaska and it'll be successful.
Speaker 2:We're still looking at different things to become entrepreneurs.
Speaker 3:We have a running list of things that we would like to do. I think that you only can grow if you can take risks.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh my gosh. Let's talk about risk. How do you guys feel? I mean, I know he's an adrenaline junkie, so is that a part of your risk taking? Does that factor in?
Speaker 3:No, I'm very safe. I like get anxiety at the thought. However, obstetrics is super high paced and like not to say like adrenaline, but there's a lot of things. You need to be able to do things really well and really fast, and there's two lives at risk, and so I think that's also kind of we definitely are on the same page there, but most of the time, I'm very calculated, almost to the point of annoying him, okay.
Speaker 1:So it sounds like strategy being calculated, strategy calculations and also strategy calculations and also, you know, really being able to solve problems right away. Sounds like that's what has been at the core of you guys as surgeons, and now that is being a big building factor for your businesses it is just being adaptable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because things change on a minute by minute basis. Yeah for sure, and sometimes it's not exactly what you plan for. But just always having in the back of your mind you know what's my contingency, what can I do? That's safe, that you know. If you put it in the patient aspect, what can I do that's safe, that's going to keep patient alive or get them better and get them out of the hospital? If you put in the business aspect, what can I do to keep the business growing without suffering too much of a margin loss or debt associated with it?
Speaker 2:because absolutely business is business, you've got to.
Speaker 3:Yes, so very much. Our time management is a huge. I'm very great at time management.
Speaker 2:And I suck at it, but she balances it out.
Speaker 3:But the fact that I'm good at it like you know, I'm my own house manager right and then, I manage my practice and I'm the CEO, cfo. I do payroll, I pay all the bills, I manage all the expenses and the surgeries.
Speaker 3:And the surgeries on top of it. And for the spa, I'm managing the employees we have 26 employees I'm managing payroll, I'm managing the expense, I'm managing the overhead, we're managing the budget for that. So when I am like, hey, babe, I need this immediately responsive. Otherwise, I have my list of things that need to get done and they get done and I'm like I need this from you, I need this from you, and it's done when I need it done. But because my strength is time management, I can somehow no clue how, but somehow do all of those things, and it doesn't necessarily overwhelm me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you're using time management as leverage as well. So I mean you seem like you've mastered that, I mean you've taken on. You guys have altogether three businesses between the three of you or the two of you between the three of you or the two of you?
Speaker 2:yeah, yep, and raising a family successfully, right, yeah, and even diverting and helping a friend raise a family.
Speaker 3:So, um, we have four children, but I had a third pregnancy. I was a surrogate and, oh my gosh, this was the doozy you were going to tell me about. I was a surrogate, so I delivered early February of 2022. Okay, wow.
Speaker 1:Carrying a baby for a friend. A friend, okay, so it was somebody you knew.
Speaker 3:Yes, okay, yep, it was a friend we knew, was it the Kardashian?
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding. No, but we didn't sign an NDA so we can't discuss it.
Speaker 3:No, but it was just something that I was really always passionate about, even back when I was a resident, is women's fertility and infertility, and there were some challenges as a resident to kind of fulfilling a need to help a family, and we have very close friends that were having difficulty doing that. And so once we knew that our family was complete. But I also had that like itch to be pregnant again, but not take on the responsibility Correct. So we had four children, right.
Speaker 1:No crying babies.
Speaker 3:The oldest was like going into college when this was all going down. So we had one in college, one in high school and then we had two littles at home and there was no way we were going to have a fifth baby. But it was a great, awesome year. Thankfully, you know, we only had to do one round of IVF and we conceived very good. Everything went great, pregnancy was uncomplicated, everything went well and so and fortunately you know, they're really close friends and we get together often, so our little girls get to spend time with them. And, yeah, it's great and I think for me, one of the huge points was showing my children you can do something really nice for somebody and never expect a thing in return.
Speaker 1:Really really big.
Speaker 3:And it fulfilled a need for me. I think I always knew that I wanted to conceive, have more than two children and carry more than two children, especially being an OBGYN, and I waited a really long time to finally do that, so it was fantastic. If I hadn't been 39 when I delivered, I probably would have been a surrogate several more times.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Yeah, okay, you guys hear this. Listeners, if you're struggling. We got a surrogate here.
Speaker 3:Well, that ship has sailed, Just kidding. That won't happen anymore, but I have actually.
Speaker 3:It's been really fortunate because a lot of surrogates have come to me to care for them while they're pregnant, because I understand the dynamic of being a surrogate and the intended parents, and maybe most of them aren't local, so it's really helped other families too who surrogacy is a pretty unique scenario and not everybody really understands or feels comfortable when the intended parents are zooming in for every call and, you know, slowing down the office. But it's really important and, being a surrogate myself, I totally understand what the surrogate's going through. So it's a nice.
Speaker 1:So you understand all elements of it, from the doctor's standpoint, from a mom's standpoint, and then the surrogate standpoint. Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:So we might think of a business to go along with that A surrogate business.
Speaker 3:There we go. We have been thinking of a business to go along with that, but, yeah, I think that there's just some really awesome opportunities with the role I've been given and the best part was having a supportive husband. To be honest, it's really hard to be pregnant and have two busy doctors and have four kids. And everybody says, what did your husband say? Like how is he I'm? Like? He said hell yeah, like let's do this, and was super supportive. And you know there were sacrifices we made as a family. Of course I had doctor's appointments that didn't involve him and I had.
Speaker 3:I went into labor while he was on call and we had to move mountains to get him there and and you know, but it was a great experience. For anybody who's considering being a surrogate, I highly highly recommend it. For anybody who's struggling with infertility, there are definitely options out there, but for me it was a personal thing that I always felt the need to do. It was like almost a bucket list item for me was to help create a family for somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I wouldn't have been able to do it without him for somebody, yeah, and I wouldn't have been able to do it without him, wow. Ok, now you guys are just totally heroes in my book because you guys have this amazing relationship working through it. Obviously, everybody's not perfect, but you guys, pretty much, are very solid in your relationship Business wise, very ambitious, very committed. Business wise, very ambitious, very committed, dedicated and looking to make changes. You know, just even in your guys's own realms of surgery and OBGYN and just educating women and really changing the game for women and how they look at their you know reproductive organs, but also their own health, you know, and getting that communication out there. I think that's so important.
Speaker 1:And then you guys, you know, raising a family as well. That's amazing. And taking on a whole business that has nothing to do with medical at all. And you know, I love how you related it. You're like it's still about women and kids. It really is. It's about families, right, and coming together and making something beautiful out of it. You know, and I can't wait to see what your next venture is going to be. But let's talk about entrepreneurship. Now that you guys both have owned your own offices and you guys have this business, what do you feel like were the biggest challenges for you and it can't be time capacity or anything like that, but biggest challenges for you maybe, let's say, mindset wise. Did you ever have like a breaking moment where you're like okay, this is just too much, I can't do this?
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 3:No, I think that we really did a good job in the last several years in educating ourselves on how you can leverage somebody else's money. I don't think anybody teaches you that and unless you've been exposed to it growing up with other entrepreneurs, nobody shares that information. So when we started to really look into having a business and how we would do that and we're self-made so we have student loan debt still and, even though it sounds ideal, like your doctors, it's really really hard to raise a family, pay for your existence, have kids in college, pay your student loans back and get eight hours of sleep Do you get eight hours of sleep? No, back and get eight hours of?
Speaker 1:sleep right. Do you get eight hours of sleep? No, I wish I got eight hours of sleep.
Speaker 3:But I say this to say that we have all these ideas and we had no idea that entrepreneurs they use the potential they leverage. They use their potential to have the bank support them, to leverage the bank's money on their ideas. And that was a huge turning point for us is to understand that when people are buying and flipping houses, they're not taking 200 grand out of their savings account to buy and flip a house. They're using their assets and their potential for income for the bank to support them in buying and flipping a house.
Speaker 1:That was like a light switch for us.
Speaker 3:Huge game changer. Otherwise, we would have been sitting where we were three years ago, having all these dreams without realizing how we could get there some wealth management podcasts, talking to our financial advisor and just continuing to pull information out of where it's not easily accessible and using that to become successful, Instead of saying like we're going to go house poor and take all of our savings to do this. Yes, it took a lot of our financial investment, but we were able to do it because we leveraged our money against the bank.
Speaker 1:I want to talk about that a little bit more too, because I feel like a lot of people try to bootstrap with their own money, like their hard cash. You know, what do you think your biggest advice to entrepreneurs that are getting started right now, that have these grand ideas?
Speaker 2:but they have no money. You know how do you, what's your advice to them? Find somebody with money. That's the bank. You know it primarily has to do with your what you're worth. So being able to go to the bank and saying this is my business, this is my W-2 earnings, what can I really get from you for that showing?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it takes being able to find like-minded people to be able to go to the bank and say, hey, we've got a group of us. We want to leverage what you have to offer for us. We were very lucky with our financial advisor who pointed us to we love your financial advisor.
Speaker 1:I love your financial advisor, yeah.
Speaker 2:Who pointed us to several banks, and one of those banks just happened to be am I allowed to say the name, yeah, amogee. And we met a private banker there and he kind of opened up the doors for us, showing us how we could leverage, and he works at the bank. Nice but he said these are the steps that you need to take.
Speaker 1:So he was your inside man.
Speaker 2:He was our inside.
Speaker 3:He was super helpful, even in the respect of like what we learned there.
Speaker 3:When we sat down to do Premier OBGYN and we went, it was a different bank completely. But when we went into that bank and they said, well, how much do y'all think you need in a loan to get started? And I said why don't we just do a business line of credit? And the banker kind of looked at me and I'm like well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I can pay interest on a line of credit based off of what I borrow and not have a amortized loan that you're charging me for whether I need it or not. And he's like correct, and I'm like OK, but little did he know. The little white girl across the table knew that information Right. So from your experience, from my experience with working with Amogee and them saying to us, we can approve you for X amount of money line of credit for you to use, and then you use that money as you need it and you pay interest on it, but the interest is over to 12 months not over the monthly and there's no amortized upfront monies that you have to pay.
Speaker 3:So when people take a $100,000 loan in that first year, whatever they're paying is interest only and it's a super high percentage. If you take a loan for $100,000, you might pay 8%, but that calculates to $8,000 divided by 12 months on the line of credit. So $8,000 divided by 12 months is like, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Do the math less than $1,000 a month and you only pay for what you borrow. So if you never take any money out of that $100,000, you're not paying anything, and if you take 50, you're only paying the 8% across the year on the $50,000. Wow, so it's significantly less. So then we were like well, this is how people buy houses. They get their line of credit, they put the money down on the house, they three months later, flip it, sell it, pay their line of credit back. There's minimal interest they've spent and they got all that cash flow now coming in from the sale of the house. But they didn't take their savings, like you said, and empty their bank account to do it. And we were like light bulb.
Speaker 2:Which is to say why you get a like-minded group of folks. If we hadn't gotten together with our financial advisor and we know him as a friend, not just as a financial advisor, but if we hadn't gotten together with him, like-minded, we would not have known. Okay, you can go to the bank and say, hey, this is what I have, what do you have best for me? So I took our financial advisor and friend to be able to say, okay, okay, here's how you market yourself and make yourself wanted by the bank. And there's, the bank is still making money.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah. But you're not losing a lot more your savings, your life savings, or paying a huge upfront on a loan that you may not even use.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the other thing if I'm talking to an entrepreneur, and they're you know cause we've had friends that have asked us how we've done it and what we've done, and when we explain it they're blown away by this concept of the line of credit versus the loan. They they're like I'm 40 years old, nobody's ever explained it to me, like I had no idea and everybody's afraid oh, it's eight percent, right. And you just were like would never take something out at eight percent.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:No, but even when you talk to them, they're all afraid. Yes, they're all afraid to jump, they're all afraid of failure and they're all afraid to go. And I think the biggest difference from us is like I don't want to say something cliche like we don't know how to fail. That's not true. Cliche like we don't know how to fail that's not true. But if we fail, we know how to stand back up and I think that's what we know about each other is like we might make another jump for another business and if it doesn't, it's not successful. We still have each other and we know how to come back from it. So like trying another thing isn't as scary when you have somebody else with you and you also feel like the risk is really fun to do it together.
Speaker 1:Now let's talk about the actual business itself, right? So you talked about getting the money, not taking the risk all on your own. You know personal income, personal finances, so that's, you know, that's the start and that's like a really great start for any entrepreneur, right, If they're able to rely on somebody else's money. But now you're in the business. What's the scary part about the initial start of the business and getting it going? Like, how do you, how? What was your challenges for liftoff?
Speaker 3:Probably cost mitigation, cost containment for liftoff, probably cost mitigation, cost containment. Yeah, like it's scary to open a business that you rely on other people to be successful from right, like if you're a consultant, you're only going to make money if you have people coming in and wanting to hire you as a consultant. For us it's a great area of town. There's other Spolme Kids Spas that exist that are super successful, but we still needed to get the word out that we existed and to come to our store and to do that and employ other individuals. So your expenses are kind of fixed, your lease is where it's at, your overhead's where it's at, and to be able to know this is what we need to make and we need this much business to kind of offset that and to start paying that line of credit.
Speaker 3:That's the scary part right now. That's the scary part right now and it's we're doing well. Um, but we still are climbing to get to that point where the spa is busy enough that I can take a deep breath and say, ok, we made it. Yeah, I don't fear that it's not going to make it. I'm just still on that uphill climb of saying, ok, we're not there yet.
Speaker 1:And you're in your first year, right, correct? Yeah, when will be one year, december 28th. Ok, so the birthday is December 28th. Yes, right after Christmas, oh my gosh ambitious.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we opened. Yeah, we opened as soon as we physically could, Okay.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. So was that the girls' birthday? They forever have mani-pedis whenever they want.
Speaker 3:Well they work there, they work there and they think they own the spa. How old are they? I think this is important.
Speaker 2:So five and eight.
Speaker 1:Five and eight, and they're a part of your marketing as well. I know that Right.
Speaker 3:So I think, talking about young business owners and entrepreneurship, one of the really important things for us was also getting them in the spa, understanding, mommy and daddy have multiple hats that we wear and one of which is this new spa because, you know, now that's their weekends, we go to the spa and they help a lot. They're learning how to do all the services. They're on the marketing and, just as an entrepreneur, should they have their first Roth IRA accounts? Oh, wow, right, right. So now we're trying to, in our way, help them build a cushion as they get older that they don't even know exists right now, that we never had the fortune of having or anybody telling us about. I think that's super huge for young entrepreneurs to understand that there's multifaceted reasons to be a business owner.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm going to ask you guys a really personal question. She's like well, we just told you about pregnancies and surrogates. What else could you?
Speaker 3:ask.
Speaker 1:No, not so personal, but you know what is your, I guess, outlook on your success. Do you guys feel like it's luxury, or are you still more like down to earth and you're like that? Right now we're still building, so that doesn't matter really to us.
Speaker 2:I mean, I would say we're still building, we're already successful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:And what we're doing. We have four amazing, healthy kiddos, we have a strong marriage, we enjoy each other, and so we're successful beyond means. We are trying to get to the point where we help build generational wealth, but we're not building generational wealth where our generations after us are lazy. We want them to be as driven as we have been and as our family before us have been, because that's what made us driven, because we learned that from our family. So we're still teaching our kiddos to be just as driven as we have, and they won't know if they're rich because we will never tell them if they're rich I love that.
Speaker 1:So they're not going to feel a difference. Their daily life is just normal and it's hard working correct and it's building purpose correct. But their purpose isn't coming from things luxury material. Oh my gosh, I love you guys.
Speaker 3:Yes. Well, I also think like one of the things that I struggle with is debt. I still have student loan debt. We both still have a little bit of student loan debt and I have a very difficult time looking at our hard earned income and not saying let's quickly pay down the debt. And our financial advisor, whom we've mentioned several times, says stop, just take a deep breath. You will make more putting your money here than you're worried about the interest on this little bit of debt. But as someone who grew up lower middle class parents graduated high school, pinched pennies to get us a great education and get by, and who had to pay for college and med school herself, I still don't feel financially at a place that I would like to. I love that my children don't know that we're doing as well as we are. When they ask for things, I said no, mommy can't afford that. No, we don't need that toy, we have other things at home. Can we go on vacation? Our friends are no, oh, my gosh. High five.
Speaker 1:High five right there yes.
Speaker 3:I mean, I want them to understand that we work really hard to get what we get and they too should work hard to get what they want. But I still think that, as successful as we are, I am not in a place where, financially, I feel luxury has even entered the picture.
Speaker 1:Got it? Yeah, because you guys are building and you're putting your money into investments and other things that are of greater value. Yes, so material luxury is not the greater value for you. The investments and growing that generational wealth is more valuable.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 3:I think everything's in stages. Like I would love to say let's take a two week trip to Europe. I've never been to Europe and I think financially could we afford it. Yeah, do I want to spend the money that it would cost to go there? No, no, but I'd rather spend money on a two week trip with my family somewhere than to buy something. Yes, right, that's experiences.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like we don't even do Christmas real big. We've tried to change it to doing experiences with the kids instead of a big to do for Christmas, right? So I think that there's sacrifices we do make for the experiences that are, I think, pretty important and things that I don't want to miss out on when they get too big and they don't really like us anymore. But, at the same time, there's that balance of responsibility paying down loans, putting our money where it's going to long term become passive income potentially for us. Yes, because it's really hard to work the hours we work. I'm not going to be able to do this for 20 more years, yeah, even if I want to. And if I do want to, I want to do it at my rate, on my terms, not because I'm worried about what I need to be able to afford on a monthly basis, right. So I think there's some balance to all of it, but I think we're very successful where we are in this short amount of time, since we've been physicians.
Speaker 1:I also like that you guys are very financial planning savvy and you talk a lot about your financial advisor. I'm like, if you guys want to say his name, George Long. George F Long. We love George Long. Okay, amazing, very experienced, very knowledgeable, you know, and also very directive, you know, like he's very involved with all of his clients and making sure he's passionate about his clients and making sure that they are going to super, exceed what they're what they're setting out to. So how did you find George Long?
Speaker 3:So my prior practice. He was hired as like the advisor that the physicians and anybody that worked at CommuniCare could use. So he was basically introduced through the practice. And again we were in a position where we had kind of just settled a little bit in San Antonio and we were really trying to feel out our financial footwork and I said, well, we can meet with this guy for free through CommuniCare and so I can set something up. And we set something up and went to dinner and found out really just how, what a wealth of knowledge he was and how down to earth he was and how easy he was going to be to invest invest in certain things or that the advisor is maybe not going to advise you as well as you would hope for your goals, and maybe different.
Speaker 2:In a fiduciary manner? Yeah, but he, he, he. Once you, he acts as a fiduciary so he has your best interest at heart, not just his bottom line.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:Which is why he's so wildly successful right, because he's so easy to talk to and you would refer everybody to him, as I have, because he's so great. Like I tell him, I'm, george, sorry you're so busy, because I will refer everybody to you as long as I can because that's how easy and great you are and how knowledgeable you are about what you offer. And not everybody gets that experience, unfortunately. We have a lot of friends who their financial advisor has one goal in mind is their bottom dollar percentage. Yeah, so it's sad to say that that's out there. I mean, I'm sure with every field that somebody's out there like that. But I told George, I'm sorry you're going to be.
Speaker 1:Now, do you guys feel like when you guys came across George, do you feel like that was a game changer for you in that phase of your life and where you guys were at?
Speaker 2:I think it was very helpful because I think we had we had started listening more to some podcasts, that was given some financial literacy, some financial literacy. So, having started to listen to that, coupled with meeting him and then putting together what we had been self-learning to what he was now mentoring and teaching, and just kind of melding the two of them together, it was almost like light bulb.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So you feel like the podcast was kind of like setting you up for that encounter that you had with George, and it was more digestible when you met him to say, yeah, this is something that I do need Correct, because I feel like a lot of people don't realize that they do need a financial advisor. They do need some financial advice.
Speaker 3:I think every most people are apprehensive as to what the advisor is going to offer that doesn't directly benefit the advisor, right? And I feel like maybe not the first time we met George was there that big turnaround of like this is so impactful. I think it was probably the first year that, after one year of working with him, everything that we had been working on with him because, like I said, I'm very debt averse and so I was like, how quickly can we pay the debt? And he was like, slow down, take a deep breath, stop paying so much against your student loans. I want you guys to concentrate on doing something else with your money. And it was like at the one year mark that we had been meeting with him, that I had that aha, he was like hitting the nail on the head and he understood. We came to the table a lot differently that second year a lot more knowledgeable, a lot more in tune together about where we want it to go, because everybody's different where they want their money to take them Right.
Speaker 3:And he it was that second year that I feel like was the turning moment with George. Ok, just because I think we were ready. I think he knew we weren't ready mentally the first year, but it helped to build the building blocks of where we needed to go. And it was the second year that that was where the tables turned and we were ready to take off with what he was teaching.
Speaker 1:Nice. How about you, Alex? What was your feeling your first year? Same, similar.
Speaker 2:Probably within the first year. I think all the building blocks that he laid out for us were very similar to what I'd been listening to on a podcast and it was kind of nice because what I heard. Then I'd go back and ask him hey, so if we do this instead and this, and he's like that's what I laid out for you.
Speaker 1:He's all. We already talked about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's exactly what we. I was like okay, okay, and it was just six months to a year and it was like okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Awesome, let's keep going. Yeah, wow, okay. So give us really quick for our listeners. What are the podcasts that you guys would listen to? That kind of set that up for you.
Speaker 2:It was White Coat Investor.
Speaker 1:White Coat Investor. Correct, kind of set that up for you it was white coat investor.
Speaker 2:White coat investor, correct. And then there was, uh, wealth management. I think it was wealth management.
Speaker 3:The real one we we listened to a lot was called the white coat investor, um, which has been around, I think, since 2007, and he is a er physician who basically said like nobody teaches you about finances, business of medicine, medical school debt and how that's going to impact you and just like I mean, I'm 42.
Speaker 3:When I graduated residency at 32, I had never had anybody once talked to me about an IRA or anything for one K nothing as residents you it's the last time most physicians are going to make enough money to contribute to a Roth IRA and never once did those words come out of anybody's mouth advising us. So we missed the boat. You get your first job and it sounds great. You're making over $150,000 a year, except your $350,000 of student loan debt's with you, so it really doesn't come out to be that much. But we didn't get taught at all and for the last five years we've been trying really hard to educate ourselves about how we can play catch up with retirement, how we can play catch up with building some sort of nest egg, laying the ground work for future passive income and things like that. And that was really, really the white coat investor that really helped us understand the differences and start to guide us where we needed to go awesome.
Speaker 1:How about you? Alex was sure, was that the one for you, the white quote investor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we'd listen to it to ad nauseum, even in the car rides, and the kids thankfully have their iPads so they didn't have to listen to it.
Speaker 1:Do they have their earphones too?
Speaker 2:Yes, they have their headphones, but we'd listen to it before going for an hour two-hour drive. We'd go through two or three episodes at one and a half speed, so that way we can burn through, you can make them speed up how they're talking so that you can get through it and we tried others.
Speaker 3:We've dabbled in other podcasts to listen to because, again, very little time. So if we're driving, you know, long distances, that's what we would try to do and, uh, the white coat investor was the most palatable. It was the easiest for us to listen to and understand and I think the uniqueness of med school debt is very unique compared to most other individuals with any type of debt old after being in school forever and having over $350,000 in debt. It's just not what the average student has.
Speaker 1:So that community understands More than a quarter million of debt.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Individually. Yeah, that's insane. And the average individual that goes to college or any type of graduate master's degree does not get that level of debt that physicians are getting just to go to medical school. Wow, and nobody's telling a 21-year-old that wants to be a doctor don't do it, you know so it's not like anybody advised me at 21,. Oh, that's probably not a good idea to take those loans. There's no other way to be a doctor unless you came from money, so this is how I did it.
Speaker 1:And what do you think you know to kind of pivot here, what do you think are the pitfalls that entrepreneurs fall into once they do everything that you're saying? So they borrow the money, they do the you know the line of credit. They're not getting a full loan. They're keeping their interests down as much as they can. You know they're taking those steps, they open their business, they're having traction with their clients. What do you think the biggest pitfall is in that phase now?
Speaker 2:I'd say. Not having a game plan is how to make sure you're paying back your line of credit If you're personally benefiting from the income coming from the business without realizing that you still have to pay the back end.
Speaker 1:Ah, so don't spend the money up front.
Speaker 3:Correct, okay, yeah pay your expenses and then pay your loan.
Speaker 3:Don't be pocketing money from the business, even if it is being successful and you're covering your expenses. Any dime over that? Definitively pay back that line of credit. Yeah, over that, definitively pay back that line of credit.
Speaker 3:I would say the pitfall might be that you feel the bug of the success and you over leverage and jump into another project too soon. We've been very mindful of all the ideas. We had to take a deep breath and not jump into something again. Even as successful as Bowl Me Kids has been and we love it if you potentially overextend yourself and you don't succeed, it can make multiple businesses crumble.
Speaker 3:So maybe just knowing that as great as it feels to live in that glory for a little bit and not over leverage not only your finances but your personal time I mean that's the key factor for us is we literally live day to day based off of minutes, right? So we have really, like this summer, said okay, we're not going to do anything else right now, we're just going to do the do that we're doing, we're going to take a deep breath and you know we'll. We'll give it several months of no further investing, no further dabbling and just kind of live where we are for a little bit and see where we land and keep working hard at what we're doing and maybe in another year we can look at doing a little more. But for now I think we're. We just don't want to over leverage ourselves any more than we are.
Speaker 1:I think what you're doing is amazing. You're teaching your kids good work habits, work ethic. You're teaching them to be producers, creators, not consumers. You know on that level, I think a lot of people these days are out for consuming and creating this lifestyle that social media also plays a big factor in you know, but I think, when you take a step back and you really look at what you guys have done, is that reality?
Speaker 1:What is the reality of my life and what do I want that to look like in the next five years, 10 years, retirement, you know, and how am I going to also, at the same time, create generational wealth, because you know everything. People sometimes want to keep up with the Joneses, but it's like what you said they're spending the money from the business that they should be putting it back into. You know the back end of where you got that money from, you know, and paying off that debt. But okay, well, I want to say this any books that you guys are reading right now, any type of motivational podcast or anything that you guys listen to that you can share with your listeners, we want to learn. How do we become like alex and jamie I?
Speaker 2:mean. My last book, which I still have it by my nightstand because I'm about 15 pages from finishing was Rich Dad, Poor Dad.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, love that book.
Speaker 2:It's an oldie but goodie. So I have to finish that.
Speaker 3:I am not reading a thing other than the back of my eyelids when I have free time, other than the back of my eyelids when I have free time. I traveled for a year as a locums doc and I did a lot of reading, but leisurely reading, occasionally a little bit of a more educational wealth management books, but I think I read 30 books in the last year and for the last two months I have enjoyed getting into bed and going straight to sleep because there are not enough hours in the day.
Speaker 1:No, definitely not that should be your next business. How do we create more hours a day?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that part.
Speaker 1:That one would pop.
Speaker 3:They'd be lining up, the moms would be lining up.
Speaker 1:You'd be super wildly successful with that one. Well, thank you so much for coming on our show. Is there anything that you want to leave our listeners with, any advice, something that has gotten you through all these years and through every phase and pivotal moment of your lives?
Speaker 2:Life's short, don't hold grudges. You never know when you won't be around. So love who you're with.
Speaker 1:Oh, amen to that. I had that scare recently.
Speaker 3:That was deep. I was going to say don't be afraid to take risks, partner with the right person in life and love, and if you need us, you know where we are.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. If you are in the San Antonio area, the greater San Antonio area heck, if you're even from Austin, houston, you better drive down here if you need an OBGYN surgeon, a general surgeon I mean, these are your two here but also if you are in the local San Antonio area, please, if you have children, give them the best experience. Bring them to Spoil Me Kids Spa out in Bernie and get them spoiled and show them a whole different experience. It's like what Jamie mentioned earlier. Don't just go to the traditional trampoline park or you know anything like that park or you know anything like that. Take them to something that's going to be a genuine experience where little girls can get with their other friends and they can just have a day and just feel pampered and, you know, just really enjoy their time with that sisterhood. So, thank you so much, thank you for having us. Thanks All right, everybody, until next time.
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